Tony stewart involved in on track fatality

Discussion in 'Racing Card Talk' started by SHELBYSALEEN, Aug 10, 2014.



    By now most of you have learned of the accident last night at Canandaigua Motorsports Park. Tony was involved in a accident which left Kevin Ward jr deceased.

    What started as just another rubbin is racing moment ended IN a life altering event for all involved.

    Tony and Kevin got tangled which left kevin in the wall. Kevin got out of the car and started to show his displeasure with Tony.

    Even under caution these cars tend to be going quickly. From the video that has flooded you tube and twitter it appears that Tony accellerated and his car fishtailed slightly. In the process his car hit 20
    year old kevin ward jr and he was DOA.

    The sherriff of Ontario county said Tony was fully cooperating and the investigation was not a criminal one.

    Track officials are holding off on comment until later today. They also asked that everyone hold off on speculation until the investigation is done.

    Well we all know that is not going to happen. In a day where social media is King and everyone gets to voice their opinion to the world Truth tends to take a back seat. Even when the truth is revealed there will be many yelling cover up,conspiracy etc.

    What is known without doubt is kevin ward got out of his car tony hit him and kevin is dead.

    The questions are why did Tony accellerate what were his intentions and what went wrong?

    The other without a doubt part of this is Kevins life ended, his familys life will never be the same, Tonys life will never be the same.

    Some of the opinons out there are calling for Tony to be banned from NASCAR forever. Others are yelling for him to go to jail also forever. They are saying Tony hit him intentionally. Look at his past he knew what he was doing.

    Other opinons are saying It was just an accident, he was proably just trying to sling dirt on the kid as to say go away kid your bothering me.

    Even the media with headlines that read Tony Stewart Kills another driver. you do not read accident until later in the articles.

    My opinion is it was a truly awful accident. An accident that could have been possibly avoided by tony if he had not accellearated [for any reason]. An accident that could have been avoided definatley if Kevin Ward had stayed in his car and not confronted Tony. You see in the video another car going by driving quickly. What if Kevn had slipped and fallen under his car. What if Tony had accellarated for the sole purpose of just going by the kid and hit a slick spot on the track. The following is not meant to be funny but from the moment I saw the video all I could think about was happy days. Most of us have seen the one where Pinky gets out of her car and the malochi brothers hit her. Yea its TV but the point of it was stay in your car. What if Tony really did not see kevin until the last second and the reason he accellerated was to dodge him.

    More information will pour out today. Fallout from this will continue for months. What will NASCARs reaction be, will they ban Tony. I doubt it. If he is not held criminally liable there would be no basis. Will they try and ban their drivers from racing different series to prevent NASCAR receiving a black eye for one of their drivers/stars that is a possibly.

    There will almost guaranteed be a lawsuit. When people are hurting they want others to hurt. If I cant send you to jail for this I will make you pay. I am not saying that is what the ward family is thinking. I am sayin that is what a lawyer somewhere is going to be trying to tell them. Will they win, no matter what the outcome of a possible trial is you can never say they will have won. In NC they probably would not win due to contributory negligence laws. I do not know about New York.

    In a sport that is all about winning there will be no winners in this.
  2. ranbethscards

    ranbethscards Insane Moderator... waiting for NASCAR Products Moderator

    sad.... I watched the video.... looks as if Ward was stepping in front of Smoke's car as it was going by.

    Stewart has to live with this for the rest of his life.

    Prayers going out to all involved.
  3. Flame

    Flame Member

    Some aspects that I saw in the video was
    Kevin stepped out to confront Tony in the nighttime while cars are running after a crash that looks like he should have had an injury simply because it was an impact that he almost flipped over so how Kevin even got out from the car without an injury is memorizing

    Kevin should have been more careful

    But now Tony won't be able to race because of all of the shock he went through

    Now just watch twitter go with #Smokewillriseagain
  4. Peter T Davis

    Peter T Davis Notorious Admin Moderator

    I just saw the newsclip. Yes, Ward should have stayed in his car, but it really looks like Stewart hit him intentionally. I'm going to guess he goes down for manslaughter, can't say it was intentional murder.
  5. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD Moderator Moderator

    Very sad day indeed. I saw this on the news a little while ago. The first thing I thought when I saw it was...I wonder if Ward sustain a head injury and his judgement was impaired. It was dark, there were a lot of cars moving by quickly under caution and it would seem unlikely that someone would be wandering around the track. I would think that would be the last thing a driver would be expecting to see. I honestly, don't think Stewart saw him until it was too least that was my initial impression.

    I am not really a racing or Tony Stewart I don't feel that I have a bias either way. But, my gut tells me that this was a very unfortunate race related accidental death and nothing more.
  6. ranbethscards

    ranbethscards Insane Moderator... waiting for NASCAR Products Moderator

    Seriously? These are the kind of statements that will fuel the fire for a hanging.
  7. Peter T Davis

    Peter T Davis Notorious Admin Moderator

    It looked that way to me. Just an opinion. Several other cars passed by before Stewart hit Ward. The other cars seemed to swerve to avoid Ward, while Stewart seem to aim straight toward him. I hope other videos which will give more perspective of the accident will come up.
  8. Leafsfan1967

    Leafsfan1967 Well-Known Member

    Not gonna comment on what happened, or my opinion, as I've only seen it twice, but I will say it was a very sad, and tragic incident, and my thoughts, and prayers go out to Kevin, and his family during this horrible time. What I do question is what the heck Stewart is doing racing these events in the first place? I get the whole love for the sport, and desire to race whatever, and whenever, but didn't he learn his lesson last year when he hurt his leg? If I'm his sole sponsor, no way he's doing these events. His responsibility is to the Stewart/Haas Racing teams, and that should be his only focus, IMO.
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  9. ranbethscards

    ranbethscards Insane Moderator... waiting for NASCAR Products Moderator

    Good point Troy! The big boys need to stay away from these events... Let the "kids" enjoy their time in the minor league without the big boys trying to steal the spotlight.
  10. ranbethscards

    ranbethscards Insane Moderator... waiting for NASCAR Products Moderator

    ...and good point Peter.... But we all have opininions. I have watched two different videos and it is going to be a 50/50 call.
  11. ranbethscards

    ranbethscards Insane Moderator... waiting for NASCAR Products Moderator

    Tony withdrew from today's race...
  12. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD Moderator Moderator

    From a financial standpoint, I completely understand what you are saying. But, I suppose this is one of the benefits of owning his own team...he has a lot more say in what he does.
  13. Flame

    Flame Member

    There is a news conference on ESPNNEWS on this topic
  14. IQless1

    IQless1 Active Member

    The only video I've seen, so far, is from a distance and doesn't show me what Tony was doing until a split second before impact.

    A few notes:

    The initial incident that caused the crash is, IMO, typical of drift-racing. Tony's car had the center track and Kevin was on the outside of him during the turn. Tony was significantly in front of Kevin's car during the turn. Slight contact, between the right-rear of Tony's car and the left-front of Kevin's car apparently occurred. As a result, Kevin lost control of his car and spun-out.

    The track is dirt, and significantly higher on the outside than in the inside, again typical.

    Kevin got out of his car on the high-side and made his way to the center of the track. As Tony passed, just under the center-track, Kevin attempted to jump out of the way, but failed. That's tough to do when trying to jump uphill.

    Let's be clear here. Kevin attempted to get close to Tony's car, in an effort to point Tony out for causing the crash.

    I can't tell if Tony steered slightly into Kevin from the video, though it appears he accelerated a split-second before contact.

    At contact, Tony's car veered right due to the force of the contact, as I see no indication that his front wheel's were anything but straight. Again, the video doesn't show me enough of the approach to say whether or not Tony steered into Kevin at all, but it does clearly show Kevin attempting to get close to Tony's car.

    I've had two moments in my life that were similarly dumb, but I was four and seven at the time, so I cut myself some slack...even if it was idiotic at the time. I lived, Kevin didn't. He made a fatal mistake, even if it's proven to me that Tony intentionally steered a foot or two closer to Kevin than he should have. However, if Tony did indeed veer slightly right during that moment, then Tony made a mistake that took a life.

    Until I see more information proving otherwise, I consider the bulk of the blame to be on Kevin.
  15. Flame

    Flame Member

    I agree because I even saw movement from Kevin to step in front of Tony's car

    Totally Kevin's fault
  16. ranbethscards

    ranbethscards Insane Moderator... waiting for NASCAR Products Moderator

    I watched several Sports Talk Shows on ESPN and Fox Sports... tried to think of the whole scenario as someone who has never watched any type of racing before... holy crap... if you are someone who has no idea about what the sport is about and you listen to the "evidence" (which I will explain later), you would come to the conclusion that this was a deliberate act by Stewart. Sad but true.

    The "evidence" (as I mentioned) involves Stewart's past history... his on-track attitude, the fact that he has more than once talked about "getting even" with another driver when he is put into the wall or bumped... his aggressive driving... getting out of his car and getting up-in-the-face of the other driver to confront them...

    Of course, NONE of the above "evidence" has anything to do with what happened Saturday night, but once you are given the label... it sticks with you no matter what.

    Honestly, I think the media has already decided Tony's fate.

    I watched the latest Sheriff's Briefing last night and the Sheriff made it clear that "NO criminal charges are pending" against Tony.

    HOWEVER!!!... the news media immediately reported that the Sheriff had commented: "No criminal charges have been filed yet." What? That's NOT what the Sheriff said.

    The only thing the Media has done right is... they have corrected their story about the "revving of the engine", stating that there is no way to prove it was Tony's engine that was revved. Tony's car was on the other side of the track while being filmed... several cars were located, and moving, on the side of the track where the spectator was filming the incident.

  17. Peter T Davis

    Peter T Davis Notorious Admin Moderator

    Some good logic there Randy, and I think that explains why my initial thoughts was that it was intentional. Media bias is a powerful thing. And, one more thing, if this does become a criminal case, the chances are that they're going to put people on the jury who have no connection to racing, on the premise that people who are familiar with racing would be biased one way or another about Tony Stewart, and the only way to get an impartial jury is to not have people who have any connection to racing.
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  18. Zahadum

    Zahadum Member

    Like everyone else I have heard and read all kinds of remarks and speculation (although some are stating as fact). Opinions are like a$$h0les everyone has one and I was not going to comment on any threads on any forums but after reading Randy’s post I have decided to add to this thread.

    When the accident happened almost immediately some “experts” said Tony was at fault and guilty of involuntary manslaughter and deserved to be locked up for life, Typical Troublemaker Tony and now he will get what he has been deserving for years. Statements from “Imitation gone wrong to it was intentional. Calling Tony scum, idiot, jacka$$ to everything else possible.

    The statements like this from Tyler Graves just fuel the fire:
    "Tony pinched him into the frontstretch wall, a racing thing," Graves said. "The right rear tire went down, he spun on the exit of (Turn) 2. They threw the caution and everything was toned down. Kevin got out of his car. … He was throwing his arms up all over the place at Tony for most of the corner.

    "I know Tony could see him. I know how you can see out of these cars. When Tony got close to him, he hit the throttle. When you hit a throttle on a sprint car, the car sets sideways. It set sideways, the right rear tire hit Kevin, Kevin was sucked underneath and was stuck under it for a second or two and then it threw him about 50 yards."

    So Mr. Graves was in the race competing that night so know exactly how the conditions were on the track, the lighting and everything and first hand experienced the conditions in the turn? No he was not he was sitting in the Turn 1 grandstands and saw everything. But he an expert witness….

    What did the driver of the # 45 say what he saw????

    The way I saw the video is Mr. Stewart and Mr. Ward are racing hard like all the other competitors that night and as happens with all oval track racing a driver gets squeezed in a turn and spins out like what happened to Mr. Ward. Mr. Ward is pissed as any other driver would be. Mr. Ward makes a decision that IMO was stupid and leaves his car (before the safety crews are on the scene) to confront Mr. Stewart on the track. Mr. Ward is dressed in black and walks out into the track. He walks out pointing his finger not really paying attention to anything but the # 14 car and almost goes in front of # 45 car as it drives by. Then proceeds to try and walk in front of the #14. The # 14 moves/jerks and the back half kicks out and strikes Mr. Ward.

    Here is what I have yet to see posted or talked about by the “experts”.
    Here is a scenario for comparison:
    Mr. Smith is driving at night going 35 MPH. As Mr. Smith is on a left curve he is momentarily blinded by a flood light/street light/ a reflected light or has a brief blind spot. Then Mr. Smith sees an instant of movement of something dark out of the corner of his eye. Does Mr. Smith turn right into where he see the movement, Slam on his brakes or turn left away from the movement? Mr. Smith makes a quick turn left away from the movement. The back end tries to kick out but it’s a paved road that is dry and the car holds to the road.
    So what would have happened to Mr. Smith’s car if he was on a dirt road and did that same maneuver at 35 MPH? What if Mr. Smith was say driving a open wheel sprint car and made that same maneuver?


    So if the media is the judge and jury now and Stewart is guilty of intent to harm, involuntary manslaughter or whatever and he is charged officially with such and convicted then the other drivers in all sports better be prepared.
    Other drivers that have caused serious injuries or death to other drivers or intent should then be held liable as well. Sterling Marlin, Kurt Busch, Brad Keselowski, Denny Hamlin, Joey Logono, Carl Edwards, etc could fall into such categories. Where do you draw the line?

    If you hit a driver while they are still in their car while “racing” and cause injury or death get a fine and move on but you hit a driver because they foolishly left their vehicle and started to roam on the track is not and you go to jail?

    Someone has lost their life do to a poor decision they made.

    The NASCAR star could be charged with second-degree manslaughter under New York law if prosecutors believe he ''recklessly caused the death of another person,'' with negligent homicide another possibility, according to criminal law professor Corey Rayburn Yung of the Kansas University School of Law.

    This whole thing is turning into a Tony Stewart witch hunt. Tony is 100% guilty and Kevin was well within his rights and innocent of everything. It’s sickening.
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  19. Zahadum

    Zahadum Member

    Nice to see a few drivers have grown a pair and started to support Tony publicly.

    Also nice to see that rules are being changed so an incident like this will not happen again.

    Still a lot of speculation out there and will probably always will be.

    Interesting read about legal possibilities

    I think this will be going on for a long time and not sure it Tony will ever be able to successfully come back as a driver.

    I think it's time for nascar,sponsors and others to limit drivers to one racing venue and not allow participation in multiple ones. Either race in Sprint Cup, Nationwide, Camping World or whatever.
  20. ranbethscards

    ranbethscards Insane Moderator... waiting for NASCAR Products Moderator

    I've been complaining of the "Busch-Whackers" (as they were called back in the good ol' days) for years.

    NASCAR says letting the "names" drive in the other categories puts fans in the seats.
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